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Zeek Aran · Sep 03, 2008, 02:42 AM // 02:42

Please tell me why VoR exists.

fenix · Sep 03, 2008, 02:45 AM // 02:45

What are you talking about?

VoR is fantastic.

garethporlest18 · Sep 03, 2008, 02:50 AM // 02:50

Well VoR is more useful in certain situations, seeing as it does way more damage than SS.

Zeek Aran · Sep 03, 2008, 02:50 AM // 02:50

How is it better than SS? I wish to know.

Dark Desicration · Sep 03, 2008, 02:51 AM // 02:51

Elite Hex Spell. Also hexes foes adjacent to target (10 seconds). These foes take 15...75...90 damage whenever they use a skill.

Check the bold part. Use that on a group instead of SS and then you have multiple foes hexed all causing 90 damage to each other.

fenix · Sep 03, 2008, 02:52 AM // 02:52

Yeah, AoE damage makes it very strong. Quite good in PvP also.

Arkantos · Sep 03, 2008, 02:52 AM // 02:52

VoR != SS
Mesmer != Necromancer

Both are good in their own situations. VoR does more single target damage, SS does more AoE damage (unless all your enemies are adjacent to the target you VoR'd, then VoR is better).

snaek · Sep 03, 2008, 02:53 AM // 02:53

ss=pve

vor=pvp?

and i dunno if vor does more dmg in pve...
monster spend a lot of time on auto-attack

not to mention vor has downtime and ss can be spammed like mad

maybe it does more "spikey" dmg

Senrath · Sep 03, 2008, 02:53 AM // 02:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeek Aran

Please tell me why VoR exists.

SS: All skills and attacks. Hexes one target, hits all adjacent targets. Longer duration.
VoR: Only on skills. Hexes target and adjacent targets. Deals over twice the damage.

I'd say both are good, VoR better in some situations, SS better in others.

AKB48 · Sep 03, 2008, 02:53 AM // 02:53

VoR affects ALL skills which is like a more universal version of blackfire.

And backfire is no joke =D

Zeek Aran · Sep 03, 2008, 02:55 AM // 02:55

Okay, so how is SS + arcane echo not far superior?

EDIT

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arkantos

Both are good in their own situations. VoR does more single target damage, SS does more AoE damage (unless all your enemies are adjacent to the target you VoR'd, then VoR is better).

For single target damage, I'd think SV would be better. Enemies in PvE attack far more than they use skills.

fenix · Sep 03, 2008, 02:57 AM // 02:57

Because SS + Arcane Echo sucks if you're a Mesmer.

HawkofStorms · Sep 03, 2008, 02:58 AM // 02:58

VoR exists because SS should have always been a mesmer skill in the first place.
Please don't take VoR away. I've actually been able to play my mesmer in PvE and have fun with him again (that and several PvE oriented skills from NF/GW:EN like aneryusum). Yes, I know mesmers aren't supposed to be dealing damage and disruption is a heck of a lot of fun in PvP, but in PvE it is kinda pointless.

Also, you really have to look at what you are farming/fighting. If its some PvE mob that triggers a stance every 2 seconds, VoR is WAY better.

Dark Desicration · Sep 03, 2008, 02:59 AM // 02:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeek Aran

Okay, so how is SS + arcane echo not far superior?

Okay, so you're going N/Me then. Why not just go Me/Any and use Arcane Echo with VoR for no downtime and hex the whole mob for more damage?

snaek · Sep 03, 2008, 03:00 AM // 03:00

well...lets compare...

ss = 20s duration, 10s recharge, 35dmg every action

vor = 10s duration, 20s recharge, 90dmg every skill

how many actions will a monster do in 20s?
vs how many skills a monster will use in 10s?

then u have to wait for teh 20s downtime
so they will be 10s of no vor

meanwhile, an ss necro will be able to have 2 simultaneous ss' goin on
(and im not even talkin bout an echo'd ss)

Arkantos · Sep 03, 2008, 03:03 AM // 03:03

Quote:

For single target damage, I'd think SV would be better. Enemies in PvE attack far more than they use skills.

Blood magic sucks, domination does not. It also seems that you're forgetting that there's PvP in Guild Wars.

Nessar · Sep 03, 2008, 03:08 AM // 03:08

VoR + Empathy pretty much pwns in pvp. I love spiking stuff with it <3

Pwny Ride · Sep 03, 2008, 03:23 AM // 03:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nessar

VoR + Empathy pretty much pwns in pvp. I love spiking stuff with it <3

Truth. No longer do i have to opt completely for an illusion build to have a counter vs narutards.

Also the whole 'combo' spell is appealing. Either VoR + Empathy or VoR + Backfire (a healthy* 200+ damage per spell casted), takes care of pretty much anything ive come across (bar decent hex removal, as expected).

And if they do nothing and try to wait for the hexes to wear off? Why not throw wastrels worry (100+ damage a pop) and/or demise in there for some little extra pressure?

the changing of this one skill opened up alot of options for me, personally (i honestly got tired of powerblock domination building :/).

As for being better than SS? Well now mesmers also have pve vability* I really enjoy seeing yellow 90's pop up all over the place whilst having a full mesmer skill bar.

Kikuta · Sep 03, 2008, 03:45 AM // 03:45

Casting each spell on a single target, VoR is superior. It will cause more DPS on a monster in PvE, and have the same result or act as a shutdown for any class in PvP.

Casting each spell on one foe in a mob of foes adjacent to each other, VoR wins again. You're hexing all the foes in the mob, unlike SS where you're only casting the spell on one foe, but affecting all of them. That said, 37 damage to all the foes whenever the hexed foe performs any action (attack or skill) isn't as good as 90 damage for each foe whenever they use a skill - but of course, it really depends where you're using the skills. In PvE, it all depends on how many skills the monsters have, and their recharge times. If you're fighting in EotN areas, VoR wins. If you're fighting anywhere else, SS will take over (excluding Elite Missions). Whether you're playing in Hard Mode is a highly influencing factor as well - SS will smash VoR in DPS terms if you cast each spell on a melee character in Hard Mode.

If you introduce Arcane Echo to the equation, SS wins outright. You're effectively doubling it's DPS if you cast it in the above mob situation where every enemy is affected.

Keep in mind that the amount of damage the two skills can do will increase with each enemy in the mob. Mathematically, I think Spiteful Spirit would do far more damage with a single cast to a mob of 20 enemies (assuming all enemies are taking the damage) than VoR in the same situation.

jonnieboi05 · Sep 03, 2008, 03:51 AM // 03:51

pwny ride speaks truth. ^^